Physicians' Salary Poll Results: Women Earn Less
Web MD ran an online survey in Feb, 2011 and received 5000 responses from physicians in 22 specialities. Based on that information, they recently announced that overall, for physicians, females earned a median of $160,000 while males received a median of $225,000. Furthermore, in every speciality, males earned more than females. In the higher-earning specialities, there were fewer women. In addition to gender, practice size and hours at work had a strong influence on earnings.
The analysts looked for sources for the wage gap and found that the number of hours worked and the "chosen specialty" contributed to the pay differential. Female physicians on average spend fewer hours per week seeing patients and are more likely by two to one ratio to spend fewer than 30 h per week seeing patients. The highest paid specialties have fewer women, but it is not really tested in this survey if that was because of women's real preferences as opposed to their treatment in those specialities.
The report is available on MedScape site at: http://compensation.blr.com/Compensation-news/Compensation/Administrative-Exemption/Wage-Gap-Still-Exists-Among-Physicians-Says-WebMD-/
Having just finished observing Equal Pay Day on April 12, it strikes me that within medicine, we see a recapitulation of the main trends in overall women's pay. It's unequal, and the inequality is exacerbated by a deficiency in the highest paying fields. It's sad that even women who spend years of training in medical school, internship, and residency, don't get equal pay at the end. However, it makes sense to me that if they work shorter hours, they should get less pay. That could be that women in medicine are finding ways to shorten their hours to make family and career work better together, just as has happened for veterinarians as we discussed earlier.
Because of things my female former students have told me about their treatment when they wished to go into surgery, I suspect that those mentoring new surgeons can be refractory to recruiting women to the field. Anyone out there have more information on this issue? Do women avoid surgery or does surgery repulse women?
cheers,
Laura
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Hi Helen,
Good job giving him that tough embryo surgery! He deserves a few failures after that remark!
Sad to hear that when the women have what's perceived as an "academic deficiency" that it follows them everywhere they go.
I, too, believe it has to be more than just child-related issues, as important as those are.
cheers,
Laura
I think its more than reduced working hours, particularly the choice of specialty could be enlightening.
Two anecdotes:
1) While training a pediatric surgical resident in his research residency, he mentioned that there were no women on his residency team at UCLA. I asked him why, he replied " None of them were good enough to join the club". I promptly gave him an exceedingly difficult embryo surgery which he failed at completely. I showed him I could do 10 of them in under 30 minutes. I then asked " Are you not good enough to join our club?".
2) We hire MDs and MD/PhDs in industry to guide clinical trial design. Both males and females are recruited (30% female and 70% male) across specialities. But only the males are in senior positions. I once asked why and received the reply " The women are not as well qualified based on their academic performance when hired. " This deficit follows them through their careers in industry and holds them back so that no matter what else they do, they can't catch up.
I was hoping that at least in some fields, say OB/GYN, that women would equal men. But no such luck. As you say, Laura, this is an informal survey but rather discouraging nevertheless. It could be that choosing shorter hours explains a lot, but if they authors thought it explained the whole discrepancy, I'll bet they would have said so. Soc Sci people can subtract out the effects of factors, and they probably did that analysis. So there's more at work here, probably, than just opting for more home time.
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Women in Japan can become high energy physics but they don't always get the respect men get in that area. I think not paid as well either. So like them, the women neurosurgeons here get less money, but perhaps more than women who work at Dennys. Hiroko Y.
OK, Mad Hatter, you could be right. This kind of rather informal, self-reported survey may not be the right sort to test these hypotheses, but it can certainly suggest things that social scientists could and should study. It's more likely, on balance, that Royale W is right, but I would say we cannot really tell one way or the other with the information given. I hope some good social scientists read this blog for ideas. This is not the first time we've come to suggest projects that need to be pursued!
cheers,
Laura
Mad Hatter, I don't think so, not when the discrepancy extends across every single category of the 22 examined. And then, in society as a whole, women only get 77 cents for each dollar men get. So it's not like physicians are an outlier.
Hi Laura,
Don't you feel that the data on time of seeing patients is telling an important story? Is the salary discrepancy mostly because of women's choices perhaps?
MD
I got through surgery residency with no particular problems of harassment. It may depend on where you go, because the big famous hospitals are sometimes the most sexist places.
Hi SciFemXX,
A student I knew some time ago tried Neurosurgery too, and she got all the way through training and then decided she didn't want to spend her life fighting to get a seat at the table every day, so she quit medicine altogether. I have no idea what she said was the cause of her departure. But unequal pay would have been just the tip of the iceberg for her.
cheers,
Laura
My sister tried to be a neurosurgeon but the male students and doctors in that field treated her so badly she quit. Only an anecdote but it fits the data you've cited here.
