Regarding our recent Opinion article (What is the malignant nature of human ductal carcinoma in situ? Nature Rev. Cancer 11, 68–75 (2011))1 we thank Drs Yu and Shao for their correspondence (The two faces of autophagy and the pathological underestimation of DCIS. Nature Rev. Cancer July 2011 (doi:10.1038/nrc2950-c1))2, which provides interesting discussion points relative to our proposals on autophagy therapy for ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS)1,3. Drs Yu and Shao raise three points: that although anti-autophagy therapy can target a survival mechanism used within the hypoxic and nutrient-deprived intraductal microenvironment of DCIS, anti-autophagy therapy may not be desirable for treating invasive breast cancer; that because of the sampling error inherent in core-needle biopsies, patients may be diagnosed with DCIS who have invasive cancer that was missed by the biopsy; and whether chloroquine phosphate can penetrate into the nonvascular interior of the DCIS lesion that is surrounded by the basement membrane.

With regard to the first point, autophagy is an evolutionarily conserved and tightly regulated mechanism that targets intracytoplasmic components to lysosomes, thereby providing a source of energy during nutrient starvation or stress4,5. Autophagy has been shown to provide a means for breast cancer cells to avoid apoptosis and survive in the face of trastuzimab or tamoxifen therapy6,7. Beyond breast cancer treatment, chloroquine therapy has also been shown to reduce lymphoma progression8,9 and to arrest pancreatic cancer in animal models10,11, and it has also been used in clinical trials of glioblastoma12. Thus, it is premature to assume that the short-term anti-autophagy therapy, proposed in our preventing invasive neoplasia with chloroquine (PINC) trial (clinical trial number: NCT01023477) to target DCIS within the intraductal niche, may be detrimental to patients with invasive breast cancer. It can equally be argued, based on published studies, that chloroquine could sensitize invasive cancer to therapies for which autophagy is a means for the tumour cells to survive in the face of therapy6,7,10,11.

With regard to the second point raised by the authors, the sampling error in core-needle diagnosis of suspicious breast lesions is an important clinical topic that transcends DCIS diagnosis and treatment. In our PINC trial, all patients will undergo standard-of-care surgical excision and pathological examination of the entire volume of the lesion to minimize the chance that invasive cancer will be missed by a core-needle biopsy.

The third point raised by Drs Yu and Shao, penetration of chloroquine into DCIS lesions, is an important pharmacodynamic consideration for any therapy, whether the agent is a small molecule, antibody or protein. Chloroquine is a small molecule that has been shown to rapidly leave the vascular space to penetrate tissues, enter the lysosomal compartment of cells and penetrate the blood–brain barrier12,13. We think that a small molecule such as chloroquine is actually preferable for DCIS therapy because the diffusion of an antibody or other large-molecule inhibitor could be retarded by the DCIS basement membrane diffusion barrier14,15. However, determining the efficacy of chloroquine treatment for DCIS is a primary goal of our PINC trial.