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Young, talented and fed-up: scientists tell their stories

Scientists starting labs say that they are under historically high pressure to publish, secure funding and earn permanent positions — leaving precious little time for actual research.

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“The funding cycle is brutal.”  — Martin Tingley

Martin Tingley was coming undone. It was late autumn 2014, just over a year into his assistant-professor job at Pennsylvania State University in State College, and he was on an eight-hour drive home after visiting his wife in Boston. He was stressed, exhausted and close to tears. As the traffic zipped past in the dark hours of the early morning, the headlights gave him the surreal feeling that he was inside a video game.

Usually, Tingley thought of himself as a “pretty stoic guy” — and on paper, his career was going well. He’d completed a master’s degree in statistics and a PhD in Earth science, both at Harvard University. With these, and four years of postdoctoral experience, he had landed a rare tenure-track faculty position. He thought he would soon be successfully combining statistics and climate science to produce the type of interdisciplinary research that funding agencies say they want.

In fact, scientific life was proving tough. He found himself working 60–80 hours per week doing teaching and research. His start-up funding had run out, he had yet to secure a major grant and, according to a practice common in US academia, he would not be paid by his university for three summer months. His wife had not been able to move with him, so he was making tiring weekend commutes. It seemed that the pressures had reached unsustainable levels. Something had to give.

Tingley is one of many young scientists who are deeply frustrated with life in research. In September, Nature put a post on Facebook asking scientists who were starting their first independent position to tell us about the challenges that they faced. What followed was a major outpouring of grief. Within a week, nearly 300 scientists from around the world had responded with a candid catalogue of concerns. “I see many colleagues divorcing, getting burnt out, moving out of science, and I am so tired now,” wrote one biomedical researcher from Belgium (see ‘Suffering in science’). Nature selected three young investigators who voiced the most common frustrations; here, we tell their stories.

Suffering in science

We asked young scientists to tell us their concerns. This is what they said.

Desperate pursuit of grants leaves no time for science

“I spent almost all of my time fundraising, and the time spent on executing research was less than 5%.”

Extreme competition drives many scientists to cut corners

“There’s work that is clearly beautifully done, but there’s also work that is done sloppily, overhyped, even fabricated. Current pressures and incentives mean that being first but wrong pays off better than being second and right.”

Dependence on senior scientists to advance

“If you’re not lucky, if your [senior] professor isn’t good at getting research funding or doesn’t have much weight or is not supportive of you in any way, then you are completely screwed.”

Administrative overload with no help

“If I asked for an administrative assistant, it would probably double my research time … 
and my department would probably have a good laugh.”

Long hours

“The kind of culture we have is that you can’t be a successful academic on 40 hours a week. I struggle with how I really don’t want to open my laptop again at 9 p.m. when I sit down on the couch. But I want that Nature paper, I want that big grant.”

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But are young scientists whining — or drowning? Our interviewees acknowledge that they are extremely fortunate to have an opportunity to direct their own creative, stimulating careers, and they are hardly the only professionals who are expected to work hard. It’s easy for each generation to imagine that things are more difficult for them than they were in the past.

But some data and anecdotal evidence suggest that scientists do face more hurdles in starting research groups now than did many of their senior colleagues 20–30 years ago. Chief among those challenges is the unprecedented number competing for funding pools that have remained stagnant or shrunk in the past decade. “The number of people is at an all-time high, but the number of awards hasn’t changed,” says Jon Lorsch, director of the US National Institute of General Medical Sciences (NIGMS) in Bethesda, Maryland. “A lot of people with influence on the system recognize this is a serious problem and are trying to fix it.”

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Young scientists and senior scientists alike feel an acute pressure to publish and are weighed down by a growing bureaucratic burden, with little administrative support. They are largely judged on their record of publishing and of winning grants — but without clear targets, they find themselves endlessly churning out paper after paper. The crucial question is whether this is harming science and scientists. Bruce Alberts, a prominent biochemist at the University of California, San Francisco, and former president of the US National Academy of Sciences, says that it is. The current hyper-competitive atmosphere is stifling creativity and pushing scientists “to do mediocre science”, he says — work that is safe and uninteresting. “We’ve got to reward people who do something differently.”

Our informal survey suggests that the situation is already making research an unwelcoming career. “Frankly, the job of being a principal investigator and running a lab just looks horrible,” wrote one neuroscientist from the United States. Tingley wouldn’t disagree.

Funding fight

Tingley has always had broad interests. At university in Canada, he switched from art history to physics. For his graduate studies, he was drawn to the vibrant research environment at Harvard, in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where he built statistical methods that helped to make sense of data on past climate gathered from sources such as tree rings and ice cores.

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By the time he was searching for academic positions, he was already working 60-hour weeks, he says: he would be at work by 8 a.m., go home for dinner, and then pull out his laptop again at night. But by 2013, his research was hitting a high: he had published a statistical analysis in Nature1 and, after applying for jobs worldwide, was offered a joint appointment in meteorology and statistics at Penn State.

By this point, his wife, Gabrielle, ran the communications programme for Harvard’s Research Computing centre in Cambridge. Positions offered to her at Penn State fell far short of her qualifications, and she opted to stay where she was. They were facing the ‘two-body problem’ — a long-standing stress point for scientists.

Like many first-year assistant professors, Tingley immediately felt pressure to publish in top journals, attract funding and students, and innovate in the classroom. He also knew that his roughly US$200,000 in start-up funding from the university — to cover his summer salary, computing access and more — wouldn’t last long, and he applied to the US National Science Foundation for grants. That process was “heartbreaking”, he says.

In one instance, he put in a proposal with his collaborator, organic geochemist Jessica Tierney at the University of Arizona in Tucson, for work on proxies for past sea surface temperatures. On the first round of review, the application got two scores of “excellent” and two of “very good”, yet it still fell short of being funded. The two were encouraged to resubmit, which they did. On the next round, the proposal scored worse. “Part of it is on me, I was unsuccessful,” Tingley says — but the anecdote shows the frustration that young scientists face when trying to get a research programme off the ground. “The funding cycle is brutal.” In the meantime, the pair published the initial stages of the work2 in an article that has been cited 40 times.

The views of scientists who responded to Nature revealed a generational divide: many feel that today’s senior investigators experienced a more comfortable trajectory in science and now have a competitive advantage. The ‘baby boom’ scientists, who have longer track records and well-established labs, are in a stronger position to win funds. (In September, Nature asked on Twitter: “What are the challenges facing young scientists?” “Old scientists,” one respondent shot right back.)

In December 2014, shortly after his low point in the car, Tingley and his wife took a month-long trip to Australia and Indonesia for some much-needed time together. The next month, Tingley returned to the winter chill at State College and walked across campus feeling as if his head was scraping against the low-hanging clouds. He knew that much of his time was about to be sucked up teaching two advanced courses, leaving little time for research, and he would be back to the tiring commute to see his wife at the weekends. If he didn’t get a grant soon, he would have no summer salary. “My wife and I knew this wasn’t a sustainable way for us to live our lives.”

Tingley started googling around late at night, and in March, he spied the perfect job posting. Insurance Australia Group in Sydney was looking for someone with experience in meteorology, statistics and climate. He started there two months later, and his wife easily found a position in communications with the University of New South Wales. Now a senior research analyst, Tingley models and quantifies risks from bush fires, cyclones and other storms. The transcontinental move was not without its difficulties, of course — and as a young researcher moving to the private sector, he’s had to prove himself all over again.

Tingley now advises others to recognize that there are various paths to a successful career. “It’s perfectly legitimate to use your training and skill set in the private sector.” He isn’t missing the stress and high expectations placed on young investigators’ shoulders, he says. On a sunny spring Saturday in September, he and his wife head out for a walk on their neighbourhood beach. “It turns out that weekends are fantastic,” he says.

Internal pressure

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“It’s stressful when you don’t have money, and stressful when you do.” — Eddie López-Honorato

Sometimes, pressures come not from chasing funding or tenure, but from chasing an ideal of what makes a good scientist. Young researchers from all disciplines told Nature that they wrestle with the lack of clear expectations for success — and materials scientist Eddie López-Honorato is one.

He grew up in Mexico City and studied chemistry there, at the National Autonomous University of Mexico, but for his PhD, he struck out for the University of Manchester, UK. He worked at night and at weekends to complete his experiments, he says, which became more difficult after his son was born. He found it stressful, but his time at Manchester gave him high working standards that he now tries to emulate. Next, he did a postdoctoral fellowship at the Institute for Transuranium Elements in Karlsruhe, Germany, where he worked on developing safer coatings for nuclear fuels used in reactors.

At the end of his postdoc, he had the opportunity to return to the United Kingdom as a lecturer at the University of Sheffield, but he and his wife, Paola, yearned to go back to Mexico. They weighed up the pros and cons. López-Honorato knew that he would need to build up his professional reputation in Mexico and that the science infrastructure there was less developed than in Europe. But he thought that working in the United Kingdom would be harder for his family, because they faced constant changes in language and culture. The family chose Mexico.

In March 2012, López-Honorato started at the Center for Research and Advanced Studies of the National Polytechnic Institute (CINVESTAV) in Ramos Arizpe. He felt an amazing sense of independence and potential on standing in front of his brand new empty lab space. “You know that you have to get some students and money fast, really fast, and that’s when the urge to work kicks in,” he says. Although the government paid his and his students’ salaries, he still needed to secure funds to support his research. He sent out a flurry of grant proposals for government funding, without success.

López-Honorato spent 2012 travelling around Mexico and the United States to build collaborations. He cold e-mailed other scientists to explain his work. The grants started trickling in. By 2014, he had secured enough to cover most of his research expenses and had established a second arm to his lab’s work: developing adsorptive materials to remove arsenic from drinking water, a problem that affected nearly half of all wells in certain parts of Mexico3. Since starting at CINVESTAV, he has published 20 research papers and has built up a lab group of 15 people.

Like many of those interviewed, he says that the work to sustain funding is as tough as winning the first grants. Even though his position is secure, he feels the pressure of maintaining his research projects and launching the careers of younger scientists. “It’s stressful when you don’t have money, and stressful when you do have money, because then you have to deliver. It’s my fault if anything goes wrong.” He points to a recent eight-month bureaucratic delay in purchasing a coating machine that is essential to his nuclear-fuel work; it put the project a year behind schedule, and he feels that he is to blame.

Many scientists, like other professionals, say that there aren’t enough hours in the day. (“My cohort, we feel exhausted,” said one Generation X scientist, who asked to remain anonymous to protect his career.) In the past two months, López-Honorato says, he has averaged four hours of sleep per night. He and other early-career researchers are “in a stage where our kids and partners need us the most at home”, he says. His second son is now eight months old.

He wrestles with whether he has valid reasons to complain, and knows the pressures are largely self-generated. “It’s a problem of saying, ‘That’s enough’,” he says. It’s an issue that many young investigators struggle with — when you’re the one setting the goals, when do you have enough money, students or publications? Philip Guo, a cognitive scientist at the University of California, San Diego, described in a 2014 blogpost how academics often feel as if they are on an accelerating treadmill. In his previous work as a software engineer at Google, Guo wrote, he had “tremendous clarity about what and how much I was expected to do”. Academics, however, have obligations to teach, advise, do research, write grants and support departments, universities and the academic community — and “none of these sources of work know of or care about one another”. Alberts highlights the young investigators who need two major grants, one to supply their salary and one for their research programme. “It’s horrible pressure on young people. How are they going to be excellent at anything? The incentives are all wrong.”

This year, López-Honorato is trying to lower his own expectations, applying for only one industry grant — compared with the seven he applied for in 2012 — in the hope that he’ll get home in time to play with his boys. But that internal pressure is hardest to quell. “We want to be the best — that’s how we got to the job we have right now. It’s a personal pressure. But that’s even more difficult to get rid of.”

No time to think

Annelies van ’t Hul for Nature

“If people are complaining about an injustice, it’s easy to say they are just moaning.” — Felienne Hermans

Computing always attracted Felienne Hermans, who taught herself programming at age 10. She specialized in computer science at university and pursued a PhD at Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands. There, she applied methods of software engineering to spreadsheets, so that end users such as accountants or biologists would have better ways of maintaining and annotating their data4. The creative work won her top conference papers, which are key for advancement in this field. When a tenure-track position opened up in her research group of four professors, she asked whether she could apply. She beat internal and external candidates and started as an independent professor in March 2013, at the age of just 28.

Two years into the position, Hermans was feeling overwhelmed. She was grappling with the responsibilities of managing her two graduate students and one postdoc, prepping for teaching courses, and what felt like endless ‘service’ requests to review papers for journals and colleagues. The spreadsheet work had in some ways run its course, and she wanted to pivot to a more stimulating research area. But the pressure to publish continuously and copiously dogged her. Her job is formally split between 40% teaching, 40% research and 20% academic service, but the message is that research should trump everything else. “Four papers are better than three. And five are better than four,” she says.

Like Alberts, she says the idea that research output is now synonymous with publication quashes all creativity. “Papers are just one form of communicating ideas and experiments.” She yearns “for an afternoon of looking out the window and thinking, ‘What will I do next?’”.

Another barrier has been constant throughout her career: being a woman in an overwhelmingly male-dominated field. In 2014, she attended the Code Generation hands-on programming conference in Cambridge, UK, and found herself 1 of only 2 women among roughly 100 attendees. She spent the three days speaking to colleagues about this sad statistic, rather than about her programming, as she would have preferred. “It drags you down and drains your energies,” she says. In the survey, Nature received roughly a dozen comments from young scientists who indicated that sexism, gender bias or lack of support for women held back their careers.

Hermans eventually developed a fresh research focus through her Saturday volunteer work at a community centre, where she taught programming to inner-city kids. She and a colleague began thinking about how best to teach the children. Rather than just explaining how to make a robot move forward, say, they wanted to communicate how to maintain code quality through properly naming program features and avoiding ‘code smells’, or poorly designed program sections. The pivot wasn’t totally smooth — her first conference paper about a generic theory for code smells was rejected for not having enough supporting evidence, but now she is hitting her stride.

Looking back, Hermans says that she probably should have ignored the pressure to publish, and ruminated more. “But I was new in the tenure track and super scared about not being able to pay my mortgage in two years.” Now, she keeps more careful track of her time. If a colleague knocks on her door for help with a student’s paper, she can turn them down: “I’ve already done my 20% to service.” She’s rearranged her week, cramming teaching, grant writing and service into Monday to Thursday so that she can spend Fridays with her lab group, which now comprises six people.

There are more-organized moves to help young investigators — to win grants, for example. Alberts says that “there has to be a shift of resources to the younger people”. He points to the European Research Council grant programme that divides applicants into three career stages — Starter (2–7 years post-PhD), Consolidator (7–12 years post-PhD) and Advanced (more than 12 years post-PhD) — so that applicants from each career stage compete with their peers. In the same vein, this year the NIGMS piloted a grant called Maximizing Investigators’ Research Award, which separates early-stage investigators from established ones, and offers five years of guaranteed funding. That’s an innovation in the US funding system, says Lorsch, because it means no longer “comparing apples and oranges”. And Lorsch says that older investigators should be encouraged to move into alternative stages of their career — working in teaching, mentoring and science advocacy — that don’t require research funds. This could help younger researchers to break in.

Other scientists vehemently oppose such ideas. And Alberts, like many senior scientists, doesn’t see the problem as solely based on age. “It’s not about fairness. It’s about how to get the best science for the dollar. We’ll get much better science by funding young or old people to do innovative things.”

Hermans is acutely aware that the grumbles of young scientists can be brushed away. “If people are complaining about an injustice, it’s easy to say they are just moaning,” she says. “But these are not imaginary problems.” She feels it’s her duty to be vocal about the challenges facing young investigators. “Experienced researchers should be observing if a young scientist is failing and asking, ‘Are you overwhelmed? Why aren’t you inspired?’”

Lorsch says that he knows first-hand that Generation X scientists are not whiners: “I do not hear complaining from the people who are trying to get their first grant or renew their first grant, the people trying to get a lab running,” he says. “It’s the really well-funded people who’ve lost one of their grants — that’s who call me and scream.”

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  1. Avatar for JF Scott
    JF Scott
    Physics competitive? Try being a professional violinist or pianist (or a big-league pitcher?). You need genetic gifts, years of 80-hour weeks practicing, and then there are three good jobs per year for 1000 gifted candidates. Physics careers are in such relative abundance we have to import hundreds or thousands of academics each year.
  2. Avatar for David Lubertozzi
    David Lubertozzi
    No mention of the elephant in the room: politics, federal funding, and the anti-science culture we live in. GOP/Tea Party leaders have been discrediting scientists and diminishing the value of science and cultivating anti-intellectual populism, culminating in the Trump phenomenon. In the Idiot-American community, anyone's "theory" is as good as that of a trained researcher, so who needs em? The US now has a chairman of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology who thinks that climate change is a conspiracy theory! He and his cronies pore over federally funded studies that they don't understand to flag as examples of waste that should be cut, ignoring the 800-lb gorilla in their room, the grotesquely bloated military budget. According to FASEB, it's not just more researchers, they're also chasing a shrinking pool of grants: From FY 2003 to 2015, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) lost 22% of its capacity to fund research due to budget cuts, sequestration, and inflationary losses. Reduced funding capacity results in: · Fewer grants · Fewer new discoveries · Talented scientists leaving research
  3. Avatar for Vincent Brannigan
    Vincent Brannigan
    As a Professor Emeritus, but not a scientist , who mentored a lot of younger people , Chaired P & T committees, Married a spectacularly successful medical technology researcher and has a daughter with a Science PhD Perhaps I can give a few thoughts. 1) Sexism in Science and Engineering has never gone away. 2) About 1 in 20 Science PhDs will make it to a Professorship at a major research University. This is arguably the worst ratio in modern history. 3) Similarly the number of junior researchers chasing grants is an an all time high related to the number of grants 4) P& T committees actually look a the quality of publication and slicing and dicing to get more papers is a waste of time 5) Mentoring junior people is critical to their success. I remember my mentor many years ago literally tearing out of my vita everything that would not help my promotion. On a purely personal level I find the male family hostile comments posted here incredibly typical of narrow academic lab operators . I was the supportive spouse. I took care of sick kids and ironed my wife's clothes. It was incredibly hard work but yes we both made it to success in our chosen areas.
  4. Avatar for David Kleinfeld
    David Kleinfeld
    <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Times; panose-1:2 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-family:auto; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:3 0 0 0 1 0;} @font-face {font-family:"MS 明朝"; mso-font-charset:78; mso-generic-font-family:auto; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:1 134676480 16 0 131072 0;} @font-face {font-family:"MS 明朝"; mso-font-charset:78; mso-generic-font-family:auto; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:1 134676480 16 0 131072 0;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-unhide:no; mso-style-qformat:yes; mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"MS 明朝"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; mso-default-props:yes; font-size:10.0pt; mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family:"MS 明朝"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-fareast-language:JA;} @page WordSection1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --> I am 30 years into my career. Truth be told, except for the uncertainty associated with tenure, all of the other issues discussed above, i.e., - the stress to gain funding, pushing to get top graduate students and post-docs to join your laboratory, trying to do the best and most complete science in a timely manner, trying publish in both respected and high profile journals, etc., etc., does not change as time goes on. Nor does the need for 60-ish hour work weeks (with teaching and travel and grant writing and wasteful administrative work replacing research time). As Richard Slusher, my old Bell Laboratories boss once told me - doing science is like rowing crew, you are always fighting for your seat. Maybe there is a different way, or a better way. But this is just the way it is for now. Yet nothing beats the sense of discovery! David
  5. Avatar for Clara B. Jones
    Clara B. Jones
    ...every "problem" mentioned above pales when compared to those faced by female researchers of color in 60s---->90s....the extent to which these "problems" reflect race-class-gender privilege is of concern, IMO...finally, consistent with some other comments--the current glut of Ph.D.s in the pipeline needs to be factored in...[p.s. i am a semi-retired woman of color whose career in Social Biology was more than satisfactory]...
  6. Avatar for Tony P
    Tony P
    The academic field is getting more and more sick with useless and ruthless metrics, prestige, elitism... etc. Seniors have took advantage of the easy life and now they make pressure on juniors. I do not read research papers in Nature or elsewhere anymore, since a long time ago because publications are becoming a flood of incomprehensible language that do not address any real current or future challenges, but only to get promoted or published. Many research publications in Nature and elsewhere do not deserve the price of ink or paper used to print them. Editorials, Opinion papers, Reviews, Views and News, Perspectives are more digest and useful than most of research papers published in Nature or elsewhere.
  7. Avatar for Former Scientist
    Former Scientist
    Work situation in science has become objectively unbearable. Academia has the duty to inform students that science career places really extreme burden. Even on the background of similar demanding professions, like medicine, science comes as very bad career choice.
  8. Avatar for Anonymous Lastname
    Anonymous Lastname
    For what it's worth, I'm an MD/PhD student in the US, and I'm faced with a really tough choice, like many of my fellow MD/PhD colleagues. I love science, I read and think about neuroscience papers when I'm out of the lab just because I enjoy them, and I can definitely imagine myself as a future academic physician scientist conducting neuroscience research. That said, I got >99th percentile on my USMLE Step 1 exam, so I could just as easily become a full-time dermatologist, make an enormous amount of money, have a low stress career and wonderful family life, but quit science. For me and many other MD/PhD students like me, who consistently score very highly on USMLE Step 1, we have an incredibly tough choice. We love research, but the climate for young investigators is ruthless, especially if we are using our MD to actually see patients, which cuts into our research time. It is easier for many MD/PhDs to just decide to abandon research and become a clinician (which many do), as work load is less, salary is substantially higher, and work/life balance is commonplace. Personally, I'm going to try to hack it in research, as the prospect of making new discoveries, hopefully translatable, and contributing to the collective knowledge base is irresistible to me, and I know if I sell out for a high paying career as a dermatologist/orthopedic surgeon making $400k+ I'll always think, what might I have done if I stayed in research? Maybe this isn't a useful comment, but perhaps this can highlight the contrast between jobs available to MD/PhDs, but also PhDs (e.g. research vs industry), where the non-research job is significantly more secure/higher paying/less stressful/etc. Frequently, a job in research is a sacrifice rather than a cushy, entitled position where people whine too much about nothing.
  9. Avatar for Robert DiGrazia
    Robert DiGrazia
    Could you take a high-paying job for a few years, pile up some money, and then go into research, living off your savings? If you collect enough money, you could finance part of your research yourself, which might help attract funding. Could you work in a high-paying job part time, and part time in research? You have an opportunity to collect opinions from people who have been highly paid professionals, and from academics. You might see a pattern. Best of luck!
  10. Avatar for Anonymous Lastname
    Anonymous Lastname
    Just to emphasize, it's bad for science that research positions are so undesirable compared to the alternatives. There are an incredible number of talented, brilliant individuals who have and will continue to bypass a research career for a more desirable alternative. There is no question that science as a whole suffers from this fact.
  11. Avatar for Müller Simon
    Müller Simon
    This issue is like Xmas and birthday to me! There must be a God (at least for researchers) who sees everything and makes reports to Nature...
  12. Avatar for Kendall Powell
    Kendall Powell
    As the writer of this particular feature, your comment made me smile. While I certainly don't claim to be omniscient, I am out here and I try very hard to listen to and report fairly on the concerns in the research community.
  13. Avatar for Abhik Ghosh
    Abhik Ghosh
    An assistant professor at Harvard can't win grants and still wants to keep his job! I can't even imagine such a person granted tenure at Kansas or Minnesota or for that matter at any of the top 50 universities in the US. What a loser!
  14. Avatar for Jassi Singh
    Jassi Singh
    You are a FUNDED POSTDOC (not Assistant professor as you put it -- the two are not equivalent). I wouldn't throw stones if I were you.
  15. Avatar for Biswaranjan Paital
    Biswaranjan Paital
    Although, I have secured a permanent position in Government sector to carry out Science and teaching, I feel I am one of the most unemployed person in Science. This is because of the very annoying unhealthy competition among the faculties to pull legs down. Its there ego who makes the youngsters (joined in permanent positions) here to nil-down in front of a planned heavy work load schedule. Its an eye catching fact if they have seen you at apex by any means, for example, publications, student friendly etc., you are gone. On the other hand, it sounds good for them because persons entered into professions through nexus only, and, are always burden for the Institute. Neither they work nor they try even to make a workable situation. Still, I win always because, I believe in me, in Science, in hard working and have strong determination without expecting awards and appreciations.
  16. Avatar for Former Scientist
    Former Scientist
    As a side observation: gender issues in science came near the bottom of important issues in the poll above. Problems in the society changed but activism did not.
  17. Avatar for Former Scientist
    Former Scientist
    I left science because too strong competition makes it impossible to ever change topic or look at the broad picture. You got your narrow field and cannot compete outside it. Science should be about intellectual pursuit, big discoveries and inventions changing society. Many people complain that since scientists are evaluated for every grant and publication, science stopped delivering big inventions which changed the society until the second half of 20th century.
  18. Avatar for Thomas Moore
    Thomas Moore
    Feeling curmudgeonly: these conditions aren't new; and drawing attention to them sounds like whining. I never landed a faculty position with startup funds, but I did ok in government science, with plenty of opportunities for mentoring younger scientists. I had enough experience with university research to realize that the price of working with students would be a frenetic life of striving to satisfy conflicting demands: of the school, the other faculty members, funding agencies, research community, reviewers, students, not to mention spouse, children and extended family. And that was in the '80's. It was still hard work and my children (all adult women now) grew up feeling that science was too much work in proportion to the visible payoff, so they gravitated to business, publishing, and art. But I'm sure they found out that everything is difficult if you aren't sufficiently intent on doing it to ignore and overcome the obstacles. We don't have an unlimited need for university faculty, and the effort to levitate more than we need based on research funding can only support research staff, not true faculty members. It probably contributes to inflated education costs as well. IMHO, a much bigger and more important problem lies in the differential difficulty encountered by women and minorities in finding a path to research. White males (like me) have no business moaning about how hard life is.
  19. Avatar for Alex Reinhardt
    Alex Reinhardt
    That is ridiculous, so I am glad you have chosen an appropriately anachronistic name such as Thomas Moore for your comment. I have family who went into tier 1 research in the 60s - 90s, and they now find the current climate intolerable. The conditions are much worse than they were 20 years ago. If you don't believe it, quit your job and try to find a new one without any networking... you will not have luck unless you have a Nature / Science paper on your resume.
  20. Avatar for Clara B. Jones
    Clara B. Jones
    ...i think i'm qualified [however defined] to reply to Alex Reinhardt...as a 73-y-o woman of color who had a creditable [however defined] career, i think today's [basic university research] Science culture is a piece of cake--relatively speaking...on another but related matter, [basic university research] Science has a responsibility to weed out those who aren't a good fit...the US is turning out most of the best scientists in the world...something must be working very well, indeed...
  21. Avatar for Pentcho Valev
    Pentcho Valev
    "The current hyper-competitive atmosphere is stifling creativity and pushing scientists “to do mediocre science”, he says — work that is safe and uninteresting." If it is difficult to do just interesting science, how about doing groundbreaking revolutionary science? Even scientific superstars are afraid to move in that direction, let alone young researchers. Just an example. Almost all physics geniuses are convinced that Einstein's spacetime (a consequence of Einstein's 1905 false constant-speed-of-light postulate) does not exist, is doomed, should be retired etc. Yet shouting the slogan is the maximum they can do - the next day you find them quietly singing "Divine Einstein" and "Yes we all believe in relativity, relativity, relativity": https://www.edge.org/response-detail/26563 Nobel Laureate David Gross observed, "Everyone in string theory is convinced...that spacetime is doomed. But we don't know what it's replaced by." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U47kyV4TMnE Nima Arkani-Hamed (06:09): "Almost all of us believe that space-time doesn't really exist, space-time is doomed and has to be replaced by some more primitive building blocks." http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/jun/10/time-reborn-farewell-reality-review "And by making the clock's tick relative - what happens simultaneously for one observer might seem sequential to another - Einstein's theory of special relativity not only destroyed any notion of absolute time but made time equivalent to a dimension in space: the future is already out there waiting for us; we just can't see it until we get there. This view is a logical and metaphysical dead end, says [Lee] Smolin." https://edge.org/response-detail/25477 What scientific idea is ready for retirement? Steve Giddings: "Spacetime. Physics has always been regarded as playing out on an underlying stage of space and time. Special relativity joined these into spacetime... [...] The apparent need to retire classical spacetime as a fundamental concept is profound..." http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727721.200-rethinking-einstein-the-end-of-spacetime.html "Rethinking Einstein: The end of space-time [...] The stumbling block lies with their conflicting views of space and time. As seen by quantum theory, space and time are a static backdrop against which particles move. In Einstein's theories, by contrast, not only are space and time inextricably linked, but the resulting space-time is moulded by the bodies within it. [...] Something has to give in this tussle between general relativity and quantum mechanics, and the smart money says that it's relativity that will be the loser." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lE-I2I4i00 "No-one's as dee-vine as Albert Einstein not Maxwell, Curie, or Bohr! His fame went glo-bell, he won the Nobel - He should have been given four! No-one's as dee-vine as Albert Einstein, Professor with brains galore! No-one could outshine Professor Einstein! He gave us special relativity, That's always made him a hero to me! No-one's as dee-vine as Albert Einstein, Professor in overdrive!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PkLLXhONvQ "We all believe in relativity, relativity, relativity. Yes we all believe in relativity, relativity, relativity. Everything is relative, even simultaneity, and soon Einstein's become a de facto physics deity. 'cos we all believe in relativity, relativity, relativity. We all believe in relativity, relativity, relativity. Yes we all believe in relativity, relativity, relativity." http://www.everythingimportant.org/Einstein_worship/DivineEinstein.jpg Pentcho Valev
  22. Avatar for JF Scott
    JF Scott
    I am an older US physics prof now working in the UK. I am not sympathetic with two-career families with neither spouse willing to take a lower-level position to be together. I am also not sympathetic to those in the US who do not receive an extra few months' summer salary: None of us in the UK are permitted summer salaries no matter how well funded we are. And our salaries are typically 50% of US pay. And we don't get to take vacations in Indonesia and Australia; we rarely take vacations at all. Spoiled brats!
  23. Avatar for Jassi Singh
    Jassi Singh
    Which UK university do you work at? It's common practice, in the Russell Group of universities, to pay a full year's salary.
  24. Avatar for JF Scott
    JF Scott
    I was a Professor at Cambridge University for 16 years. At Cambridge you may receive your pay in twelve monthly installments, but that is also true at most US universities. The difference, for ignorant readers like Jassi Singh, is that in the USA you may receive an "extra" two or three months' salary if you have research funding: Yes, that is, in Mr. Singh's limited vocabulary, 14 or 15 months' pay per year.
  25. Avatar for Abhik Ghosh
    Abhik Ghosh
    I am a mid-career chemistry prof, educated in the US and currently in Norway, and also find it hard to sympathize with some of the expectations. So you want to be a family with two world-class academic careers, a great family life, hobbies, and vacations? There aren't enough hours in the day for all that. Being a top-notch scientist is not easy and demands sacrifices in other spheres of life. Spoilt brats indeed. That said, I do believe certain reforms are called for, which would stimulate more creative, high-risk research.
  26. Avatar for Jassi Singh
    Jassi Singh
    Pipe down, postdoc.
  27. Avatar for Bryan Atkins
    Bryan Atkins
    "Spoilt brats" ... and above, in another comment, "What a loser." K, here's thy mention: Jr., your perspective is terminally myopic. Maybe crawl out of your silo and have a look around? The status quo manner relationship / reality interface brings a "premature and perverted death" to our descendants. See, we're in Anthropocene, an unprecedented era. Rolls out sort of like this: Looking at the multitude of human bodies to feast upon, the bacterium asked a friend, "What the hell happened here?" "They tried to do natural selection with monetary code."

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